Advanced Examples from "20 Methods of Gua"
Wed 28 Jun 2017, 15:12
Translated by Hao Jiang
I want to do something different by posting a few really advanced examples I found. I hope to show what very experienced people see and how they think when they read hexagrams. wish i will be as good as these guys after 20 years.
This is from an internet article wrritten by Mr Liu Wende. He wrote very influnential book called "20 methods of Gua". The article offers more examples on the usage of the 20 methods.
In 1996 as stranger Mr. Wang says ge wants to ask about a grave. He cast the following hexagram.
Year: t, Month: w, Day: sh-III, Empty: w & wa
Extreme - 43
B wa - -
K yo - J
G h -
B cn -
P e R y - U
G t -
I looked over the hexagram carfully and said to him "this grave contains the body of your wife. She died in 1977 while traveling to home. She got close to her home' around 110 meters' when a car strike her. She died
mostly due to injuries to the head.
Mr Wang says that's exactly what happend! Several I Ching friends were there at the time and they were amazed.
How did he figure it out?
Here is the explanation translated to Alex's terms. I also provided some clarification to his explantion in the ().. To see who's in that grave' use the R star (beacuse the R star represnts corpse) R is y, y's relationship with the self line yo is bean killed , therefor it's teh slef lines G star, or wife. At the same time Ry is on the opponent line, the position of the wife. It's on the 2nd line, which represnts house, therefor we can deduct she is the wife from home.
R y and the hider e traps each other with the relationship of the posting horse (The 12 branches are categorized into 3 classes, the posting horses:y,e,s,h, the 4 peach blossoms: t,m,w,yo, the 4 graves :c,cn,wa,sh; also the posting horse star on day sh is y) Posting horse reprensts travelling, therefor this is likely related to traffic accidents. the casting hour s, along with y and e forms the s,y,e trap. Even though there is no s in the hexagram itself, it still has infulence in the hexagram.
Beacuse events progress from opponent line toward the self (progress events is one of the methods in the 20 methods; if the self line is yang, events progress from first line line upward; if the self line is ying, events progress from sixth line downwards), and the self line is the husband's position , the self line naturally rpresnts the opponent line's home. Therefore the tragedy happened when she was travelling home.
When events progressed to line 4, we see 4 danger signs:
1) 4th line h strikes the e hiding undery, h also traps itself (self trap), h is also a posting horse branch, posting horse striking each other represnts traffic accidents.
2) 4th line is White Tiger (white color), represnting danger and bloodshed. although h is imprisoned in the month w, h's 12 stage growth cycle under day sh is Youth. (considered strong) White color Tiger is weak in month w (white tiger is metal by natur ), but it reside in the Duay trigram (duay is metal) , therefor it becomes strong again, so the danger of the white tiger is real. The hexagram is composed of Duay and Chen, metal energy is strong in this hexagram, the influence of the white tiger is strong, and R y is killed dirctly by it, so there will be bloodshed as soon as the white tiger is encountered.
3) 4th line is yang line residing on a ying position (I think this comes from the I Ching text) , this is saying events is about to take a turn.
4) 4th line h is imprisoned in the month, a danger sign.
Fron the 4 danger signals we can deduct the tragedy happend at the 4th line. The 4th line is very close to the home on line 5, probably around 110 meters or so (4th line is h, 5th line is yo, bewteen h and yo is sh, sh is the 11th earthly branch) beacuse h and yo is separated by sh and sh is same elemet as the day, sh is strong, therefore it's not 11 meters, but 110 meters.
Why head injury? The inner trigram is Chen, both trigram are also Chen, Chen represent head. The outer trigram is Duay, Duay represent breaking.
The reason for the death occuring in 1977: the hider e traps the bearer R. It's like a hidden time bomb. As soon as the hider comes out in some e year there will be danger. Suppose the events happend in e II year, it would be 1965. by looking at Mr Wang age he's probably too young to be marreid at the time. We than check the following e year, which is e-VI (there is a way to assign celestral stems to the hexagram lines too), therefor it's likely to be IV year. Or suppose it was e VI year, 1989, although y does not die in VI, VI does not appear at all in the hexagarm and the casting time, and the VI combines with I (I think this comes from I being the primary chi of y) therefore the probability of the events occuring in 1989 is less than 1977.
I want to do something different by posting a few really advanced examples I found. I hope to show what very experienced people see and how they think when they read hexagrams. wish i will be as good as these guys after 20 years.
This is from an internet article wrritten by Mr Liu Wende. He wrote very influnential book called "20 methods of Gua". The article offers more examples on the usage of the 20 methods.
In 1996 as stranger Mr. Wang says ge wants to ask about a grave. He cast the following hexagram.
Year: t, Month: w, Day: sh-III, Empty: w & wa
Extreme - 43
B wa - -
K yo - J
G h -
B cn -
P e R y - U
G t -
I looked over the hexagram carfully and said to him "this grave contains the body of your wife. She died in 1977 while traveling to home. She got close to her home' around 110 meters' when a car strike her. She died
mostly due to injuries to the head.
Mr Wang says that's exactly what happend! Several I Ching friends were there at the time and they were amazed.
How did he figure it out?
Here is the explanation translated to Alex's terms. I also provided some clarification to his explantion in the ().. To see who's in that grave' use the R star (beacuse the R star represnts corpse) R is y, y's relationship with the self line yo is bean killed , therefor it's teh slef lines G star, or wife. At the same time Ry is on the opponent line, the position of the wife. It's on the 2nd line, which represnts house, therefor we can deduct she is the wife from home.
R y and the hider e traps each other with the relationship of the posting horse (The 12 branches are categorized into 3 classes, the posting horses:y,e,s,h, the 4 peach blossoms: t,m,w,yo, the 4 graves :c,cn,wa,sh; also the posting horse star on day sh is y) Posting horse reprensts travelling, therefor this is likely related to traffic accidents. the casting hour s, along with y and e forms the s,y,e trap. Even though there is no s in the hexagram itself, it still has infulence in the hexagram.
Beacuse events progress from opponent line toward the self (progress events is one of the methods in the 20 methods; if the self line is yang, events progress from first line line upward; if the self line is ying, events progress from sixth line downwards), and the self line is the husband's position , the self line naturally rpresnts the opponent line's home. Therefore the tragedy happened when she was travelling home.
When events progressed to line 4, we see 4 danger signs:
1) 4th line h strikes the e hiding undery, h also traps itself (self trap), h is also a posting horse branch, posting horse striking each other represnts traffic accidents.
2) 4th line is White Tiger (white color), represnting danger and bloodshed. although h is imprisoned in the month w, h's 12 stage growth cycle under day sh is Youth. (considered strong) White color Tiger is weak in month w (white tiger is metal by natur ), but it reside in the Duay trigram (duay is metal) , therefor it becomes strong again, so the danger of the white tiger is real. The hexagram is composed of Duay and Chen, metal energy is strong in this hexagram, the influence of the white tiger is strong, and R y is killed dirctly by it, so there will be bloodshed as soon as the white tiger is encountered.
3) 4th line is yang line residing on a ying position (I think this comes from the I Ching text) , this is saying events is about to take a turn.
4) 4th line h is imprisoned in the month, a danger sign.
Fron the 4 danger signals we can deduct the tragedy happend at the 4th line. The 4th line is very close to the home on line 5, probably around 110 meters or so (4th line is h, 5th line is yo, bewteen h and yo is sh, sh is the 11th earthly branch) beacuse h and yo is separated by sh and sh is same elemet as the day, sh is strong, therefore it's not 11 meters, but 110 meters.
Why head injury? The inner trigram is Chen, both trigram are also Chen, Chen represent head. The outer trigram is Duay, Duay represent breaking.
The reason for the death occuring in 1977: the hider e traps the bearer R. It's like a hidden time bomb. As soon as the hider comes out in some e year there will be danger. Suppose the events happend in e II year, it would be 1965. by looking at Mr Wang age he's probably too young to be marreid at the time. We than check the following e year, which is e-VI (there is a way to assign celestral stems to the hexagram lines too), therefor it's likely to be IV year. Or suppose it was e VI year, 1989, although y does not die in VI, VI does not appear at all in the hexagarm and the casting time, and the VI combines with I (I think this comes from I being the primary chi of y) therefore the probability of the events occuring in 1989 is less than 1977.
Re: Advanced Examples from "20 Methods of Gua"
Wed 28 Jun 2017, 15:12
Another Liu Wende example: The CEO of a Thilland compony asks me when can a certain woman expect to have a baby in the future? If this woman does have baby in the future will it be a boy or a girl? Year: s, Month: cn, Day: cn-VII, Empty: s & yo Consolidate - 22 Feed - 27 R y - R y - gry G t - - G t - - yel B sh - - U B sh - - red K s G h O B cn - - grn P w B c - - R y - - blk R m - J G t - wht 6 Match Unstable One big danger of divinition is hints. The questioner sometimes conciously or unconciously tell you things that can give you worng perceptions, leading you to thewrong direction. If i read this hexagram using the his hints, I would conclude this certain lady has to wait until year h to have a baby (I have no idea why he didn't explain), But after looking at the hexagram I disregarded his hints and said "this woman is your wife, your current , not the previous one. She is already pregnant with a boy. Looks like I will have to congratulate you in the month h of this year. The CEO was shocked when he heard it, and said to his secretary, "Chinese Iching is so accurate". Actually he already took his wife to the hospital for examination. He knew it's a boy and the expected due date is month h. At the same time he confirmed that this is his 2nd wife. How did Mr. Liu Wende figure it out? Looking at the hexagarm the outer trigram os quite and the inner trigram is active. This is saying that the lady he's asking about is someone close to him, therefore she is his wife. However, there are 2 G stars, therefor he had another wife. Line 5 is the primary line of a hexagram , meaning the G t on line 5 represnt his first wife. But Gt is a ying line on a yang position (line 1,3,5 are yang positions, line 2,4,6 are ying positions; means this line is unstable; this came from the I Ching text), and G t and the self line Rm traps each other, and line 5 is the Hook Deity (Alex calls it yellow color; the chinese name is Guo Chen, Gua by itself means "hook") therefore their divorce has been approved (this is a play of words that's difficult to translate to English; basically it's saying the divorce papers has been approved by the judge drawing a check mark on it, and the check mark looks like a hook) Although the G h on line 3 is not on the primary line, it's yang line in a yang position, and the G h is happily combining with R m (this is called a half combination), therefore she is the 2nd wife and the current wife. K s is hiding under G h and moving on a Green line, moving Green line means event worth celebarting. The K s is at the Embryo stage, of 12 cycle under m of the self line, clearly indicating this baby is seeded by this CEO. K s is on line 3 represents abdomen, and s is at the Preganacy stage of 12 stage cycle under month cn and day cn, thereforehis wife is already pregnant inside her belly. the way the CEO asked to question seems to indicate the woman is not currrently pregnant. It's just him trying to confuse me. Line 2 and line 4 surrounds and produces K s , K s produces the belly G h, and the belly G h becomes bigger and bigger everyday. Evan though his wife is far a way in Thailland the hexagram is depicting this picture very clearly. G h moves, K s is same as the year, this is saying the birth time is month h of this year. Because after G h moves the outcome is the Zhen trigram, Zhen represents first son, and K s is a yang line is a yang position and K s is a yang line surrounded by ying lines (I think this surrounding thing came from Wild Crane's book on how to tell gender of a baby), therefore the baby is male. Sure enough the wife gave birth to a boy in month h. Two years later I met with this CEO again along with his wife and son. He said to me, this is the boy you predicted . He was very cute boy indeed! | |||
Re: Advanced Examples from "20 Methods of Gua"
Wed 28 Jun 2017, 15:13
Advanced example 3: this case comes from a Chinese website.
in 1999, an I Ching friend of mine went to a poor village in the mountain area. When he came back to Taiyuan in the summer, he showed me a hexagram. The question was is the lamb meat edible?
Month: e, Day: cn-VII, Empty: s & yo
Hide - 33 Stop - 12
P sh - P sh - gry
B s - U B s - yel
R w - R w - red
B s O G m - - grn
G y R w - - J R e - - blk
K t P cn - - P wa - - wht
6 Match
Why would someone ask this question? There are 2 possibillties: the meat is a little spoiled or the person has a digestion problem or allergy and wondering if eating lamb can make him sick. However we can't jsut make blind guesses, so lets look at the hexagram to find clues.
First, we must pick the appointed. lamb meat is food and food in I Ching divination is represnted by the G star, so the G y is the appointed. G y is hiding on line 2. It's prducing the slef line and not harming it in anyway, therefore we can conclude the meat is edible.
However, in the hexagram B s is moving and turning into G m. whenever there is movment there must be a reason for it, so I concluded the meat must came unexpectely. The reason is B truning into G star represnt unexpected gain. G y is hiding under R w. y dies in w therefore I concluded the meat came from an already dead lamb. Gy is killed by Bs, on Black line and y is the Sick growth cycle under e month, this meat is problematic, must be somewhat spoiled beacuse Black can represnt rotting.
Hex 33 is Hide, the appointed is hidinng, even the helpwer star is hiding the lamb must be laying dead in place that's difficult to see.
K t is the helper star, K also reprsent farm animlas, so K must reprsent the lamb. K t is in the Birth grwoth cycle under s, B s produces t, producing means nourishmant. B s is also Green, Green color represnts food and drinks. Combined together we can conclude B s is the food that the lamb was eating. However K t is very weak and B s turns into G y's death (y is in Death grwoth cycle under m) this means the cause of the lamb's death was the food it was eating. Day cn us causing a hiiden movement of Psh on line 6, which kills K t. Psh is on Snake line (means Grey color) Snake represents intestines so the lamb's death probably has something to do with its intestines.
K t is hiding under Pcn, cn is a dam or a pond (since Water is buried under cn, cn is the storage place of Water) P cn disappears under month e, the water in the pond is almost dried up. P cn is White and in Gen trigram. White represents road, Gen represents mountain. Combine everything from above we can deduct that at a mountain road near an almost dried up pond, the person found a dead lamb that was killed by eating something bad. The lamb is edible although it's a little rotten at places.
After I told my friend my conclusion he said my analysis was basically accurate, except a slight mistake on where the lamb was found. The lamb was discovered by a dried up well near a mountain road. Suddenely remebering the ancients saying line 1 represents wells, I was both amazed at the accuracy of I Ching and a little chagrined that I didn't see this.
What happened was at the village, my friend was chatting with a couple villagers. One guy mentioned that a certain family owened a lamb. When they took it out to graze, it was just fine. By the time they returned to retrieve the lamb, it was laying on the ground. Beacuse they didn't know what caused the death they were nervous and threw the carcass away even though the poor people can't afford to eat lamb meat moe than once or twice a year. The guy also knew where the carcass was throwon. By than the lamb was died for 3 days. When I ching divination showed that the meat was edible, poeple retrieved the carcass cut the rotton parts away and ate it. My friend 's divination helped to improved villagers life a little bit.
Each line in hex can represent different things depend on the subject of the question. The well thing was first mentioned by an anciant I ching master called Devil Vally. He said for divination about homes, line 1 = Well, line 2 = stove, line 3 = bed, line 4 = restrooms , line 5 = people, line 6 = walls.
in 1999, an I Ching friend of mine went to a poor village in the mountain area. When he came back to Taiyuan in the summer, he showed me a hexagram. The question was is the lamb meat edible?
Month: e, Day: cn-VII, Empty: s & yo
Hide - 33 Stop - 12
P sh - P sh - gry
B s - U B s - yel
R w - R w - red
B s O G m - - grn
G y R w - - J R e - - blk
K t P cn - - P wa - - wht
6 Match
Why would someone ask this question? There are 2 possibillties: the meat is a little spoiled or the person has a digestion problem or allergy and wondering if eating lamb can make him sick. However we can't jsut make blind guesses, so lets look at the hexagram to find clues.
First, we must pick the appointed. lamb meat is food and food in I Ching divination is represnted by the G star, so the G y is the appointed. G y is hiding on line 2. It's prducing the slef line and not harming it in anyway, therefore we can conclude the meat is edible.
However, in the hexagram B s is moving and turning into G m. whenever there is movment there must be a reason for it, so I concluded the meat must came unexpectely. The reason is B truning into G star represnt unexpected gain. G y is hiding under R w. y dies in w therefore I concluded the meat came from an already dead lamb. Gy is killed by Bs, on Black line and y is the Sick growth cycle under e month, this meat is problematic, must be somewhat spoiled beacuse Black can represnt rotting.
Hex 33 is Hide, the appointed is hidinng, even the helpwer star is hiding the lamb must be laying dead in place that's difficult to see.
K t is the helper star, K also reprsent farm animlas, so K must reprsent the lamb. K t is in the Birth grwoth cycle under s, B s produces t, producing means nourishmant. B s is also Green, Green color represnts food and drinks. Combined together we can conclude B s is the food that the lamb was eating. However K t is very weak and B s turns into G y's death (y is in Death grwoth cycle under m) this means the cause of the lamb's death was the food it was eating. Day cn us causing a hiiden movement of Psh on line 6, which kills K t. Psh is on Snake line (means Grey color) Snake represents intestines so the lamb's death probably has something to do with its intestines.
K t is hiding under Pcn, cn is a dam or a pond (since Water is buried under cn, cn is the storage place of Water) P cn disappears under month e, the water in the pond is almost dried up. P cn is White and in Gen trigram. White represents road, Gen represents mountain. Combine everything from above we can deduct that at a mountain road near an almost dried up pond, the person found a dead lamb that was killed by eating something bad. The lamb is edible although it's a little rotten at places.
After I told my friend my conclusion he said my analysis was basically accurate, except a slight mistake on where the lamb was found. The lamb was discovered by a dried up well near a mountain road. Suddenely remebering the ancients saying line 1 represents wells, I was both amazed at the accuracy of I Ching and a little chagrined that I didn't see this.
What happened was at the village, my friend was chatting with a couple villagers. One guy mentioned that a certain family owened a lamb. When they took it out to graze, it was just fine. By the time they returned to retrieve the lamb, it was laying on the ground. Beacuse they didn't know what caused the death they were nervous and threw the carcass away even though the poor people can't afford to eat lamb meat moe than once or twice a year. The guy also knew where the carcass was throwon. By than the lamb was died for 3 days. When I ching divination showed that the meat was edible, poeple retrieved the carcass cut the rotton parts away and ate it. My friend 's divination helped to improved villagers life a little bit.
Each line in hex can represent different things depend on the subject of the question. The well thing was first mentioned by an anciant I ching master called Devil Vally. He said for divination about homes, line 1 = Well, line 2 = stove, line 3 = bed, line 4 = restrooms , line 5 = people, line 6 = walls.
Re: Advanced Examples from "20 Methods of Gua"
Wed 28 Jun 2017, 15:13
In April 95 a friend who works in the goverment called me. He said, "last night around 10 pm' I had too much to drink in a Shengzheng hotel . My mind was foggy and when I got home I realized I can't find my briefcase anymore. Inside there are many improtant contracts, documents, ID's, especially my military job transfar document. I don't care about the money just want to know if i can get my documents back."
Year: h, Month: cn, Day: wa-X, Empty: s & yo
Finish - 60 Fog - 3
B t - - B t - - wht
R sh - R sh - gry
P s - - U P s - - yel
R c - - R cn - - red
K m O K y - - grn
G e - J B t - blk
6 Match
Beacuse he said he doesn't care about the money, only the documents, the appointed is Ps.
R represents thieves. there are 2 R lines. Day wa strikes R c causing it to move and progressing, therefore he didn't forget the briefcase, someone stole it. Because there are 2 R lines, one a yang line and one a ying line, it means two poeple stole it, one male and one female .
Line 2 K m is moving and killing the R lines. This means someone saw the crime being committed. so there are leads to be found. Too bad K m is retearting, while R c is progressing. This is unfavorable.
For lost item questions, If the appointed is in the inner trigram, the lost item is nearby or at home. If the appointed is in the outer trigram, the lost item is far away. The appointed P s is in the outer trigram. This means the thieves already moved the briefcase to a far away place. The worst part is that the P s is empty, meaning it's difficult to find.
The owner of teh briefcase is a person of high position in the society. He started an extensive investigation. He did find some leads, but still haven't found teh briefcase
Year: h, Month: cn, Day: wa-X, Empty: s & yo
Finish - 60 Fog - 3
B t - - B t - - wht
R sh - R sh - gry
P s - - U P s - - yel
R c - - R cn - - red
K m O K y - - grn
G e - J B t - blk
6 Match
Beacuse he said he doesn't care about the money, only the documents, the appointed is Ps.
R represents thieves. there are 2 R lines. Day wa strikes R c causing it to move and progressing, therefore he didn't forget the briefcase, someone stole it. Because there are 2 R lines, one a yang line and one a ying line, it means two poeple stole it, one male and one female .
Line 2 K m is moving and killing the R lines. This means someone saw the crime being committed. so there are leads to be found. Too bad K m is retearting, while R c is progressing. This is unfavorable.
For lost item questions, If the appointed is in the inner trigram, the lost item is nearby or at home. If the appointed is in the outer trigram, the lost item is far away. The appointed P s is in the outer trigram. This means the thieves already moved the briefcase to a far away place. The worst part is that the P s is empty, meaning it's difficult to find.
The owner of teh briefcase is a person of high position in the society. He started an extensive investigation. He did find some leads, but still haven't found teh briefcase
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